I tested some bullets the one on the right is a brinell of 9 and the one on the left is brinell of 11 both shot through 1/2 inch ply wood 10 inch water and then 1/2 inch plywood. They were both about 1780 fps. At 45 yards. It is a 200 gr Lyman 311299. The one on the right now is 185 gr. The one on the left is now 155 gr. the softer one stayed together better. The harder one did penetrate a little better through my bullet catcher and the the second piece of plywood had a smaller hole in it with the harder bullet which tells me the softer bullet did expand going throughout the water before it hit the wood. It was a bigger hole. These bullets have a shallow cup hp. Erik at HP mold service does excellent work. He HP'd it for me. Just thought I would share my results with you.