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04-06-2012, 08:16 AM
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Alaska gun stores say ATF engaging in new illegal activity
Anthony Martin
April 5, 2012
A report issued on Tuesday by Ammoland Shooting Sports News indicates that the ATF--the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives--is engaged in new illegal activity, this time in the state of Alaska.
According to gun store owners in Anchorage, ATF agents are requiring that they submit what is called '4473 Forms' going as far back as 2007.
Form 4473 is the official form that gun stores require customers to complete when they purchase a firearm. It is not intended to be a gun registration form but a sales record containing information on who bought the firearm, a photo I.D., and the official background check. The store owner then records this data in what is called 'the bound-book,' which is kept in perpetuity by the gun store and submitted to the ATF if the shop goes out of business.
The ATF has the authority to inspect or request a copy of the form if agents are conducting a criminal investigation.
But nowhere does the law or the rules and regulations of the ATF permit the agency to require gun stores to simply turn over these records en mass as a matter of course.
The gun stores in Anchorage are not being told that their records are being requested as part of a criminal investigation of any kind. The ATF has not specified certain forms from specific time frames as one would expect during such an investigation. The agency is telling the stores that it wants all of these records, in totality, going back to 2007.
Eagle Firearms does a good job at explaining what the law concerning Form 4473 entails:
Here’s some things to note about Form 4473. This form is not sent to any government agency, its actually kept on file by the local dealer. While this form contains the make/model/serial # of the weapon, plus all your personal information, it is not mailed out anywhere. The dealer will use this form to run your back ground check via the FBI NICS system.. However, the background check does not contain any of the following information: A) what you bought or its serial # (only if it was a long-gun or handgun) and B) whether you actually purchased the firearm and left with it. As far as the Federal government knows a background check was run on you and thats about it. They don’t have any record of what you did or did not purchase.
The only way the feds really ever see that data is in the event of a weapon being used in a crime.
Thus, Form 4473 is not intended to be used by any government agency as a form of registration. Yet this is precisely what the ATF is doing in Anchorage, and the gun stores are crying foul.
Ammoland is telling gun dealers throughout Alaska that they are within their legal rights to refuse to turn over the records to the ATF.
The ATF is already facing a Congressional investigation into its illegal activity in the Fast and Furious scandal, during which the agency placed thousands of U.S. guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels for the specific purpose of creating false statistics showing that most of the firearms used by Mexican criminals come from the United States. The Obama Administration would then use the false statistics to make a case for new gun bans and massive new gun control laws, according to the whistleblower agents who first reported the scheme in late 2010.
Curiously, the agency is also under fire for using intimidation tactics on various gun store owners throughout the Rocky Mountain and Western states, Idaho and Arizona in particular. The agency has also been shown to intimidate gun owners themselves, attempting to use firearms retailers as spies and making visits directly to the homes of citizens who purchase guns.
Notice! My latest entry in what is turning into a regular, ongoing series of musings after midnight at my blog, The Liberty Sphere, is now posted. I present more in depth personal reflections delineating the acute danger America faces at this hour. It is a dire warning to the serious reader who loves freedom and the principles handed down to us by the Framers. Don't miss it.
Visit my ministry site at Martin Christian Ministries.
Alaska gun stores say ATF engaging in new illegal activity
Anthony Martin
April 5, 2012
A report issued on Tuesday by Ammoland Shooting Sports News indicates that the ATF--the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives--is engaged in new illegal activity, this time in the state of Alaska.
According to gun store owners in Anchorage, ATF agents are requiring that they submit what is called '4473 Forms' going as far back as 2007.
Form 4473 is the official form that gun stores require customers to complete when they purchase a firearm. It is not intended to be a gun registration form but a sales record containing information on who bought the firearm, a photo I.D., and the official background check. The store owner then records this data in what is called 'the bound-book,' which is kept in perpetuity by the gun store and submitted to the ATF if the shop goes out of business.
The ATF has the authority to inspect or request a copy of the form if agents are conducting a criminal investigation.
But nowhere does the law or the rules and regulations of the ATF permit the agency to require gun stores to simply turn over these records en mass as a matter of course.
The gun stores in Anchorage are not being told that their records are being requested as part of a criminal investigation of any kind. The ATF has not specified certain forms from specific time frames as one would expect during such an investigation. The agency is telling the stores that it wants all of these records, in totality, going back to 2007.
Eagle Firearms does a good job at explaining what the law concerning Form 4473 entails:
Here’s some things to note about Form 4473. This form is not sent to any government agency, its actually kept on file by the local dealer. While this form contains the make/model/serial # of the weapon, plus all your personal information, it is not mailed out anywhere. The dealer will use this form to run your back ground check via the FBI NICS system.. However, the background check does not contain any of the following information: A) what you bought or its serial # (only if it was a long-gun or handgun) and B) whether you actually purchased the firearm and left with it. As far as the Federal government knows a background check was run on you and thats about it. They don’t have any record of what you did or did not purchase.
The only way the feds really ever see that data is in the event of a weapon being used in a crime.
Thus, Form 4473 is not intended to be used by any government agency as a form of registration. Yet this is precisely what the ATF is doing in Anchorage, and the gun stores are crying foul.
Ammoland is telling gun dealers throughout Alaska that they are within their legal rights to refuse to turn over the records to the ATF.
The ATF is already facing a Congressional investigation into its illegal activity in the Fast and Furious scandal, during which the agency placed thousands of U.S. guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels for the specific purpose of creating false statistics showing that most of the firearms used by Mexican criminals come from the United States. The Obama Administration would then use the false statistics to make a case for new gun bans and massive new gun control laws, according to the whistleblower agents who first reported the scheme in late 2010.
Curiously, the agency is also under fire for using intimidation tactics on various gun store owners throughout the Rocky Mountain and Western states, Idaho and Arizona in particular. The agency has also been shown to intimidate gun owners themselves, attempting to use firearms retailers as spies and making visits directly to the homes of citizens who purchase guns.
Notice! My latest entry in what is turning into a regular, ongoing series of musings after midnight at my blog, The Liberty Sphere, is now posted. I present more in depth personal reflections delineating the acute danger America faces at this hour. It is a dire warning to the serious reader who loves freedom and the principles handed down to us by the Framers. Don't miss it.
Visit my ministry site at Martin Christian Ministries.