House Break in

[Der Gebirgsjager]

Good observation, Half Dog. The idiot Governor of Illinois was complaining to the Feds the other day that they've got 137,000 illegal migrants and that their resources are strained to the limit. The "sanctuary" cities are all complaining about migrants in the thousands----but they've come in by the MILLIONS! Where they are all going to is sort of a mystery right now, but they're bound to surface sooner or later, and probably everywhere there is something to take. I predict that home invasion homicides will increase, both perps and victims.

DG

[beemer]

I am glad it did not escalate, would have been a lot of trouble even with you in the right.

Several years ago I was laid off from work and home a lot. I was working in the garage and a van load of what I will call minorities came down the drive. One was on the carport and another getting out of the van. He almost jumped out of his skin and the other dove back in the van when I stepped to the door. The excuse was that they were selling house hold cleaning products and was even carrying a bottle of something. Didn't believe that for a second. Exchange was short and they backed a 100 yards to the road, very fast.

Didn't have anything in my hand but it was laying just beside me. We live a ways from town and although we have some pretty good guys a response would just be to mop up.

[Swineherd]

Rather bold of dispatch to ask you to render yourself defenseless. Why? So the police can feel safe?

[fiberoptik]

Pres. Reagan gets the blame for closing most of the mental institutions,
but it was actually some lawsuits from the ACLU (I think) that won their case about holding people
against their will if they weren't violent criminals.

Instead they loose them upon the population and the police “protect them from harming themselves “. Screw the rest, just protect the crazies! We are just “collateral damage “!

[Swineherd]

I'm not too keen on giving the government authority to round up and hold whomever it pleases for whatever reasons. Just one of those whacky pet peeves one may develop as a side effect of cracking open a history book.

[firefly1957]

That dispatcher should be fired what you were told could get you killed before police arrive !

Hard to say what would have happened but if he ran of in underwear because of fear for his life maybe police could have found him before his next crimes! Some states that would not be legal to do but I am certain the story told to police of the possibly rabid mad man would make it legal in most states!

P.S. You may not like this a bit BUT.... I have NO FAITH in the short barreled 9 mm at all for stopping a drugged up person ! My son was shocked when he fired his with his best CORBON defense ammo into a 55 gallon steel drum and it was barely dented ! I know flesh is different but really a .380 pocket gun was as effective as the short barreled 9 mm! I had a box of 90 Hornady .355 XTP bullets (same as in Critical defense .380 ammo) that I loaded in .357 Magnum at 1500 f/s they really did not expand well in water at 1740 f/s they come apart in water and are very accurate from .357 Magnum. I loaded them with Alliant 2400 and could probably load a bit faster the load was book MAX. for a 110 grain bullet .

[WRideout]

I wouldn't blame the dispatcher. He or she was no doubt following procedure. Unfortunately, quite a few citizens believe in the magical, mystical powers of a firearm to protect themselves. Some do not have the presence of mind to put the gun on "safe". Others may feel the need to shoot at a fleeing criminal while the cops are there, causing the cops to wonder if they should return fire. Without knowing the criminal or the homeowner by sight, a weapon flashed may raise tensions considerably. If I have to call for an armed response to my home, I'm going to do exactly what they tell me to do.

No offense to the OP, he was perfectly within his rights, and it turned out okay.

Wayne

[MaryB]

That dispatcher should be fired what you were told could get you killed before police arrive !

Hard to say what would have happened but if he ran of in underwear because of fear for his life maybe police could have found him before his next crimes! Some states that would not be legal to do but I am certain the story told to police of the possibly rabid mad man would make it legal in most states!

P.S. You may not like this a bit BUT.... I have NO FAITH in the short barreled 9 mm at all for stopping a drugged up person ! My son was shocked when he fired his with his best CORBON defense ammo into a 55 gallon steel drum and it was barely dented ! I know flesh is different but really a .380 pocket gun was as effective as the short barreled 9 mm! I had a box of 90 Hornady .355 XTP bullets (same as in Critical defense .380 ammo) that I loaded in .357 Magnum at 1500 f/s they really did not expand well in water at 1740 f/s they come apart in water and are very accurate from .357 Magnum. I loaded them with Alliant 2400 and could probably load a bit faster the load was book MAX. for a 110 grain bullet .

THIS is why I will keep my 30 round mags!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzgNdQ0pmt8

[Swineherd]

I believe in the magical, mystical firearm in my hand, under my control, quite a lot more than I believe in the holy, sacred government.

Funny how even in gun forums, you find the "government, save us!" attitudes.

[firefly1957]

Mary B I worked with a guy that was part time L.E.O. that later went full time Police then detective . Sometimes I would help him with his tests one of his materials discussed with full photos of a Florida shooting of a man with a knife who attacked police and injured 6 of them . The man was high on PCP that was the scourge of the time and was shot 27 times with 9 mm ammo! Seven of those hits were to head/face area his "center of mass" was a large hole his heart gone but no bullets hit the spine . When he finally went down it was from just having no blood left to power his muscles.
Somehow I doubt in that case my .45 acp would have been any more effective with the same hits.

[Idaho45guy]

Wow! Pretty scary scenario. I think you handled it perfectly. The presentation of a firearm to someone who showed no aggression and was obviously mentally ill would have served no tactical purpose. Talking to them calmly yet firmly was the best way to handle it.

The perp left without becoming violent or causing any more harm and you were able to alert authorities about what happened. About as good as it gets.

Unfortunately, we now live in a world that has gone crazy and there is no longer any repercussions for mentally ill people to victimize others. In fact, the mentally ill have become a protected class and are celebrated by the media and society.

I have run into people in public that are clearly mentally ill and a danger to society at least once a week the past couple of years. We are quickly approaching a breaking point in society in which the government becomes irrelevant in terms of protecting it's citizens and the innocent are forced to become vigilantes due to the total collapse of the justice system.

[WRideout]

I believe in the magical, mystical firearm in my hand, under my control, quite a lot more than I believe in the holy, sacred government.

Funny how even in gun forums, you find the "government, save us!" attitudes.

I have no belief in the idea that the government will save us. it seems that everyone wants to talk about a criminal being high on drugs, but no one wants to talk about police being high on adrenaline. If you look up the effects of adrenaline on the body, it includes things like tunnel vision, and loss of some ability to discriminate. I think I will stay out of the way.

A LEO of my acquaintance told me once that in a celebrated case of an innocent man shot multiple times in a New York apartment building, the bullets were bouncing off the walls of the hallway, causing the police to think that they were being shot at, so they returned fire.
Wayne

[MaryB]

Mary B I worked with a guy that was part time L.E.O. that later went full time Police then detective . Sometimes I would help him with his tests one of his materials discussed with full photos of a Florida shooting of a man with a knife who attacked police and injured 6 of them . The man was high on PCP that was the scourge of the time and was shot 27 times with 9 mm ammo! Seven of those hits were to head/face area his "center of mass" was a large hole his heart gone but no bullets hit the spine . When he finally went down it was from just having no blood left to power his muscles.
Somehow I doubt in that case my .45 acp would have been any more effective with the same hits.

Guy on PCP crashed a party I was at... 6 guys took him down and he was still fighting. I did a knee drop to his private parts, and I am not dainty, I was 6'1" then! He never felt it that day, bet his life sucked in a jail cell the next day! Finally piled 13 guys on him and wrapped him in duct tape and left him at the end of the 1/4 mile long driveway for the sheriff to pick up. Four of us waited for them and told them what happened, we all filed assault charges on the dude because he came out of his car swinging...We closed and locked the gate when we took him down there, cops wanted to go up to the house and we said NOPE nothing up there for you. His car is right there with no damage, he is right there with some damage... go drug test him and search his car. Told them get a warrant to come on private property... by the time they came back with one we had loaded the party on the bus and were across the field road to the standby site at another friends farm LOL Nothing at the first place, not even an empty beer can!

[MUSTANG]

Having been poor before and after joining the USMC; I lived at and recreated in a variety of locations where I managed to have my fair encounter of individuals where I chose to display a firearm. Fortunately I never had to fire at someone in the civilian portion of my life.

1. NEW MEXCIO. Twelve hispanic (probable illegal) hispanic youth at the lake compound come up at 2:00AM waking myself and a dozen friends camped out there. Asked them to leave; they responded this was "Our Hood", they tried to circle me and threaten me -knives and clubs present. A Dan Wesson .357 came out from the small of my back with discussion that 12 would not be going home. They departed, in the background afterwards friends shared that there were handguns, rifles, and shotguns pointing at the 12 from tents, sleeping bags, etc..

2. VIRGINIA: 1:00 AM in the morning; wife and I awakened by heavy banging on the door. Person yelling "I am going to kick your ____." We ignored; but all at once he was putting his shoulder into front door to try and break in; then hitting front door with a Crow Bar. I opened the door; Dan Wesson .357 in hand and shoved it into his face. He in a drunken/drugged surprise says "You aint Joe"; and after about 10 seconds turns and runs away, holding his crowbar in his hand.

3. VIRGINIA. Wife was at home alone. A known early 20's local thug tried to come into the locked back door. He yelled for her to open the door. She presented a Mossberg 20 gauge shotgun at his face through the glass of the Back Door telling hime to leave; he ran away. She called sheriff's office and reported the incident. Next day the Thug raped and killed a woman; tracked down in the woods and shot and killed by Sherriff's Deputies while attacking the Deputies.

These three stories are shared from quite some time ago as a comparison of what an Armed Law Abiding Citizen could/can do to protect themselves and theirs from harm when someone threatens/attacks. No shots fired; no flamboyant threats conveyed to the aggressor, just simple armed preparedness meeting aggression - resulting in the potentially violent agressor/s departing. Many, Many of these type stories were shared in the NRA's Armed Citizen section. The old saying has quite a bit of wisdom: When seconds count; the police are minutes away. The Supreme Court of the USofA back in the 1970's ruled that Law Enforcement has no specific duty to protect individuals, only society at large - Think about the ramifications of that ruling.

[Winger Ed.]

Why? So the police can feel safe?

Pretty much.
Coming up to a unknown situation, it also makes telling the good guys from bad guys easier and faster.

For me, that'd be another time I'd say that being a LEO isn't for everybody.
Speaking for myself, I couldn't do it.

[jimdeere]

I believe this was your guy:
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2023...rginia-police/

[Ed K]

As to the dispatcher’s request I almost don’t want to even get started. Don’t forget to unlock all your doors as well. I wouldn’t want to have to startle anyone while opening…

[john.k]

That is exactly what you would be told here ....first nations teens who cannot be hurt in any way........except when they crash a stolen car ..............some have over 100 convictions ,they still walk free next day ...........they dont care about arrest ,in fact it may be the only decent meal they get that day.

[shooterg]

I believe this was your guy:
https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2023...rginia-police/

Nope - different guy/state. Had a callback from deputy yesterday, wondering if I(huh?) had any more info . Wanted to tell 'em if you'd just have run the prints you'd know who it was, as he's surely been arrested at some time.

[Swineherd]

Pretty much.
Coming up to a unknown situation, it also makes telling the good guys from bad guys easier and faster.

For me, that'd be another time I'd say that being a LEO isn't for everybody.
Speaking for myself, I couldn't do it.

It would make me feel much safer if police could completely disarm themselves before interacting with me. Doubt any would entertain my feelings in such a way.

People forget; police are citizens just like the rest of us. They've been granted expanded powers of arrest and, unfortunately, qualified immunity but, other than that, they've no more right to require the disarmament of any law abiding citizen than you or I. Matter of fact, they've no authority at all absent reasonable, articulable suspicion.

I'm not any more keen to entertain their pet peeves than they are mine.

It's funny, we're told they exist to protect us, but then they ask us to render ourselves vulnerable for the sake of their safety. Police have no duty to protect the public, the Supreme Court has recognized this. All that "protect and serve" stuff? False advertising.

Officer safety is number one, don't you forget it.